I was watching Kris Dunn's 1-11 stat line last night and thinking "God, Kris Dunn isn't very good." But then I recalled that Kris Dunn's Game Score of Negative 2.2 was FAR better than a number of Game Scores I have seen when reviewing games.
So, I asked myself, based upon our database from our friends at www.basketball-reference.com, what are the 10 worst Game Scores achieved since those folks compiled the records (starting in 1983-84).
Well, here you go:
http://bkref.com/tiny/Liseh
The key cutoff mark is a Game Score of Negative 9.1. If you are better than that - too good to be on this list. Some key events here --
1) Only 3 of these 10 guys made a shot from the floor.
2) No one on the list made (or even attempted) a free throw.
3) In the 10 games at issue, these guys committed 51 turnovers. The BEST performance on the list for turnovers was D.J. Augustin who managed to commit 4 turnovers but played 32 minutes.
The worst? Delaney Rudd turned the ball over 6 times in 9 minutes.
4) Foul trouble - a lot. Hollis Thompson, Delaney Rudd and Darius Miles played 50 combined minutes and fouled 16 times.
5) 3 players (Rudd, Nash Augustin) failed to get a rebound. Thurl Bailey did get 8 rebounds to lead this group But that solid work was overcome by his 5 turnovers and 2 for 20 shooting.
6) D.J. Augustin gets the "best" Game Score of Negative 9.1 despite virtually no production in 32 minutes (0 of 8, no FT, 0 rebounds, 1 assist).
7) David Wesley has the all-time worst Game Score due to his 0 for 13, 1 rebound, 1 assist, 4 TO and 4 fouls performance.
8) There are guys on the list who had all-star appearances -- Steve Nash and Tom Gugliotta,
Nash was 37 years old and Gugs was 22 when their terrible games occurred. As you will see below, Gugs also had another terrible game that almost made the list. When Gugs was bad to start a game, he never got better during that game. You were better off sitting him.
9) The 20 year old Larry Hughes makes an appearance - he goes 0-6 with 6 turnovers in only 12 MP.
10) David Wesley's Negative 11.7 Game Score is the worst in 35 years, but his 0 of 13 shooting effort only reaches a tie for 5th worst in the past 35 years.
0 of 13 - Wesley, Gugs (in a different game!), Maxwell, Leavell, Stanley Johnson, Vince Carter, Gerald Wilkins, Russell Westbrook, Derrick Favors, Metta World Peace
0 for 14 - Dino Radja, Junior Bridgeman - both had some slight amounts of production in other areas to avoid the "10 worst Game Score" list.
0 for 15 - Rodney McCray - (Game Score helped by 8 boards and 8 assists)
0 for 17 -- Tim Hardaway, Sr. (in a win versus the Timberwolves, where he also had 13 assists) -- Game Score only Negative 3.2
Remarkably, in David Wesley's terrible performance, his team held the opponent to 78 points and actually won by 2 points and Wesley's "plus-minus" was a +2!!! By contrast, in Nash's loss,. he was a negative 22.
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubblegum." The Late, Great Roddy Piper
Thursday, November 16, 2017
Tuesday, November 07, 2017
Can We Please Stop Saying Dwight Howard Doesn't Belong In the Hall of Fame! Dwight Howard Belongs in the Hall of Fame
The Timberwolves recently played the Charlotte Hornets, and the Timberwolves' announcer asked a poll on Twitter - is Dwight Howard a Hall of Famer? The results were roughly 50-50%. This, folks, is insane.
Let me state, quite simply, that Dwight Howard (unless he kills someone or engages in Harvey Weinstein type behavior) will be in the basketball Hall of Fame. He is easily in, and it is not close.
There are guys in the Basketball Hall of Fame who have never been 1st team all-NBA. Dwight Howard has been first-team all-NBA 5 times; He has been on the all-NBA team 8 times.
Guys who haven't been 5x First-team all-NBA:
Dirk, Russell, Havlicek, Stockton, David Robinson, Kevin Garnett. These are some of the 30 greatest players of all-time, and they don't have the First Team All-NBA cred of Howard.
Guys who were great, great NBA players who certainly deserve to be in the HOF --
Elvin Hayes
Bob Lanier
Kevin McHale
Bob McAdoo
Willis Reed
Dave Cowens
None of these guys have anywhere near the level of all-NBA selections that Dwght Howard has.
Now, let's say that the argument is that Dwight Howard was playing against no one - he basically was the best of a bad lot of centers. Well, then let's examine his worth versus actual Hall of Famer Yao Ming. Howard defeated Yao for first-team honors in 2008 and 2009.
Continuing on -- Howard was 3rd team all-NBA as a Laker, and 2nd-team all-NBA as a Rocket!
For raw stats - there are 13 guys in the history of the NBA who have over 16,000 points and over 12,000 rebounds. http://bkref.com/tiny/jF06P They are all in the Hall of Fame or will be in the Hall of Fame.
Dwight Howard was the Defensive Player of the Year three times. Three times! Best defensive player in the NBA at ANY position 3 years. First-team all-defense 4 times. His 99 career Defensive Rating places him in the top 10 of players who have played since 1984.
On defensive presence alone, Howard is in the HOF. And he certainly has been a FAR better offensive player than guys such as Dikembe Mutombo or Alonzo Mourning or Dennis Rodman, all of whom are in the HOF.
With about 2,800 more career rebounds, Dwight Howard will end up in the top 8 all-time in rebounding. He currently has the 4th best Rebound Percentage in NBA history.
He will end up in the top 35 in Win Shares and the top 65 in VORP. He finished in the top 7 in MVP balloting 5 times, top 5 4 times, and he finished 2nd in 2010-11. Guys with fewer MVP Award Shares than Dwight Howard (all with stars are Hall of Famers):
Basketball-reference.com places his "Hall of Fame Probability" at 99.2%. This certainly makes sense when you consider that Chris Webber (see above) was a Hall of Fame finalist LAST YEAR and his stats are nowhere near Dwight Howard in any way, shape or form.
Webber - 85 WS, 17,000 points, 8,000 rebounds, 1,200 blocks, 1X 1st-team all-NBA, 5X overall
Howard - 121 WS, 16,000 points, 12,000 rebounds, 1,900 blocks, 5x and 8x
The only real arguments against Howard are that he came in at the end of Shaq and before the recent wave of great centers, so he wasn't actually THAT good, he was just good by comparison. He also isn't a great offensive player, so if you look at A-TO and stats that are more offense-oriented, he isn't that great either. If we are going to go that route, then we really need to figure out what great defenders and rebounders get in (Rodman, Mutombo, Mourning) and which get left out (Howard apparently).
The true reason many people hate Howard is that he left Orlando (where, by the by, he led them to an EC championship) and went to L.A. (who people hate). In a rare 1-2 punch of hatred, the Lakers fans ALSO hate him because they thought he'd bring a 6th title to Kobe and instead Kobe hated him so much that he regularly called him soft. Then Harden hated/blamed him for Houston's playoff failure. Now he is dumped into Charlotte.
While Howard can certainly be blamed for never developing a great set of offensive moves, he did have 5 season where he scored over 18 ppg and his career FG% is over 58% (8 years with FG% over 59%).
Anyway -- haters gonna hate, but there is no objective argument for saying Dwight Howard is not a Hall of Fame player. He is. And I believe he should be a first ballot guy as well.
Let me state, quite simply, that Dwight Howard (unless he kills someone or engages in Harvey Weinstein type behavior) will be in the basketball Hall of Fame. He is easily in, and it is not close.
There are guys in the Basketball Hall of Fame who have never been 1st team all-NBA. Dwight Howard has been first-team all-NBA 5 times; He has been on the all-NBA team 8 times.
Guys who haven't been 5x First-team all-NBA:
Dirk, Russell, Havlicek, Stockton, David Robinson, Kevin Garnett. These are some of the 30 greatest players of all-time, and they don't have the First Team All-NBA cred of Howard.
Guys who were great, great NBA players who certainly deserve to be in the HOF --
Elvin Hayes
Bob Lanier
Kevin McHale
Bob McAdoo
Willis Reed
Dave Cowens
None of these guys have anywhere near the level of all-NBA selections that Dwght Howard has.
Now, let's say that the argument is that Dwight Howard was playing against no one - he basically was the best of a bad lot of centers. Well, then let's examine his worth versus actual Hall of Famer Yao Ming. Howard defeated Yao for first-team honors in 2008 and 2009.
Continuing on -- Howard was 3rd team all-NBA as a Laker, and 2nd-team all-NBA as a Rocket!
For raw stats - there are 13 guys in the history of the NBA who have over 16,000 points and over 12,000 rebounds. http://bkref.com/tiny/jF06P They are all in the Hall of Fame or will be in the Hall of Fame.
Dwight Howard was the Defensive Player of the Year three times. Three times! Best defensive player in the NBA at ANY position 3 years. First-team all-defense 4 times. His 99 career Defensive Rating places him in the top 10 of players who have played since 1984.
On defensive presence alone, Howard is in the HOF. And he certainly has been a FAR better offensive player than guys such as Dikembe Mutombo or Alonzo Mourning or Dennis Rodman, all of whom are in the HOF.
With about 2,800 more career rebounds, Dwight Howard will end up in the top 8 all-time in rebounding. He currently has the 4th best Rebound Percentage in NBA history.
He will end up in the top 35 in Win Shares and the top 65 in VORP. He finished in the top 7 in MVP balloting 5 times, top 5 4 times, and he finished 2nd in 2010-11. Guys with fewer MVP Award Shares than Dwight Howard (all with stars are Hall of Famers):
Billy Cunningham* | 1.081 | |
39. | Spencer Haywood* | 1.079 |
40. | Willis Reed* | 1.048 |
41. | Doug Moe | 1.006 |
42. | Derrick Rose | 0.981 |
43. | Kawhi Leonard | 0.980 |
44. | Alonzo Mourning* | 0.968 |
45. | Jason Kidd | 0.933 |
46. | Artis Gilmore* | 0.918 |
47. | George Gervin* | 0.905 |
48. | Bob Cousy* | 0.872 |
49. | Tracy McGrady* | 0.855 |
50. | Dominique Wilkins* | 0.845 |
51. | Gary Payton* | 0.823 |
52. | Dwyane Wade | 0.793 |
53. | Clyde Drexler* | 0.778 |
54. | Zelmo Beaty* | 0.767 |
55. | Dolph Schayes* | 0.730 |
56. | Scottie Pippen* | 0.716 |
57. | Sidney Moncrief | 0.695 |
58. | Wes Unseld* | 0.655 |
59. | Bernard King* | 0.625 |
60. | Jimmy Jones | 0.608 |
61. | Chris Webber | 0.588 |
62. | Charlie Scott | 0.582 |
63. | Dan Issel* | 0.576 |
64. | Elvin Hayes* | 0.572 |
65. | Grant Hill | 0.529 |
66. | Bob Lanier* | 0.527 |
67. | Bill Walton* | 0.522 |
Basketball-reference.com places his "Hall of Fame Probability" at 99.2%. This certainly makes sense when you consider that Chris Webber (see above) was a Hall of Fame finalist LAST YEAR and his stats are nowhere near Dwight Howard in any way, shape or form.
Webber - 85 WS, 17,000 points, 8,000 rebounds, 1,200 blocks, 1X 1st-team all-NBA, 5X overall
Howard - 121 WS, 16,000 points, 12,000 rebounds, 1,900 blocks, 5x and 8x
The only real arguments against Howard are that he came in at the end of Shaq and before the recent wave of great centers, so he wasn't actually THAT good, he was just good by comparison. He also isn't a great offensive player, so if you look at A-TO and stats that are more offense-oriented, he isn't that great either. If we are going to go that route, then we really need to figure out what great defenders and rebounders get in (Rodman, Mutombo, Mourning) and which get left out (Howard apparently).
The true reason many people hate Howard is that he left Orlando (where, by the by, he led them to an EC championship) and went to L.A. (who people hate). In a rare 1-2 punch of hatred, the Lakers fans ALSO hate him because they thought he'd bring a 6th title to Kobe and instead Kobe hated him so much that he regularly called him soft. Then Harden hated/blamed him for Houston's playoff failure. Now he is dumped into Charlotte.
While Howard can certainly be blamed for never developing a great set of offensive moves, he did have 5 season where he scored over 18 ppg and his career FG% is over 58% (8 years with FG% over 59%).
Anyway -- haters gonna hate, but there is no objective argument for saying Dwight Howard is not a Hall of Fame player. He is. And I believe he should be a first ballot guy as well.